The Case for Commissioning (Not Ordaining) Deaconesses

Redeemer Presbyterian in New York City has since its inception commissioned (but not ordained) deaconesses working alongside male deacons in diaconal work. Why do we do this?

A Personal History

In 1982 the Reformed Presbyterian Church Evangelical Synod (RPCES) joined with the PCA. Earlier, the RPCES had defeated a motion to ordain women as deacons. But the 155th Synod reminded churches that, "they are free to elect Spirit-filled women as deaconesses and set them apart by prayer…. We affirm the right of a local church to have separate body of unordained women who may be called deaconesses." The 1982 PCA General Assembly did not consider the actions of the RPCES Synods to be binding on us, but rather “valuable and significant material which will be used in the perfecting of the Church,” and therefore to be granted respect.

This is the reason that a number of churches with deaconesses, including Philadelphia’s Tenth Presbyterian Church under Jim Boice, came into the PCA and were accepted by our presbyteries at that time. The understanding in these presbyteries was that, under Book of Church Order (BCO) 9-7, godly women could be appointed to assist the deacons in their work, and this was a valid way for sessions to do so. In addition, many PCA Korean churches, keeping the traditional practices from their home country, have unordained but commissioned women working with the diaconate. In the mid-1980s I often attended Tenth Church. I saw how important strong diaconal work was in urban ministry, and also how crucial women were to an effective diaconate.

When we began Redeemer I encouraged our new session to establish a diaconate that included unordained, commissioned deaconesses. Our practice was debated but upheld by our Northeast Presbytery in 1994. It was deemed the right of local sessions to determine how the women mentioned in BCO 9-7 were to be commissioned and identified. Over the years the work of our diaconate has become one of the most crucial aspects of Redeemer’s effectiveness in the city, and without deaconesses that would have never been the case.

A Biblical Basis

The ultimate reason for any church to have deaconesses should not be practical and historical, however, but biblical. There are several good biblical reasons for having commissioned deaconesses in a congregation.

1. The woman Phoebe is called a diakonon in Romans 16:1. The word diakonos elsewhere in the New Testament can mean deacon (Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8) and also minister (Colossians 1:25;4:7) but it can also be taken in a non-official sense as servant (Mark 10:43). So which meaning fits here? It is interesting that older conservative Bible commentators, such as Charles Hodge and John Calvin, concluded that Phoebe was a deaconess, while more recent conservative commentators, such as Doug Moo and Thomas Schreiner (as well as John Piper), all believe that Phoebe held the office of deacon.

Robert Strimple, author of the minority report in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church’s 1988 “Report on Women in Church Office,” makes a detailed exegetical case for why the weight of evidence indicates Phoebe was an office holder. Here’s just one example. When Paul refers to Phoebe as (literally) “being (ousan-feminine accusative present participle) ... diakonon” he is using a participial phrase that is consistently used to identify a person’s performance of office in the New Testament. Examples of this usage are found in John 11:49 ("Caiaphas, being high priest that year”), Acts 18:12 ("Gallio, being the proconsul of Achaia ... "), and Acts 24:10 (“Felix, being a judge to this nation ... "). The case for reading Phoebe’s description as one of office is a strong one. Indeed, Calvin says that Paul is commending Phoebe “first on account of her office” to aid her as she discharges her ministry in Rome.

2. In the New Testament, women were recognized for their diaconal work. Besides Phoebe, Tabitha is noted for her work with the poor and widows (Acts 9:36-40). It was women who served Jesus’ disciples as they traveled (Luke 8:2-3), literally “deaconing them out of their own means” (see Dorcas, Acts 9:36). Most interesting of all, 1 Timothy 5:3-16 describes an order of widows who were financially supported and who were “devoted to all kinds of good deeds” and dedicated themselves to “helping those in trouble.” Qualifications for membership in the order of widows so approximates an office that Calvin saw a close connection between the work of the diaconate and the 1 Timothy 5 widows. This is why he actually established two ‘“orders” of deacons, one the procurers, administrative workers who collected and managed funds, and hospitaliers, actual care-givers to the poor and sick. The latter order included women (the first did not).

Calvin, then, established an order of commissioned (not ordained) women who did diaconal work. Given the examples of Phoebe, Tabitha, and the order of widows, it is not surprising that the early church developed an order of deaconesses quite early. Pliny the Younger, just a decade after the death of the apostle John (his letter is dated 106 A.D.), attests to the existence of deaconesses in the early church.

3. To me, the most compelling biblical case for a recognized body of “deaconing women” is 1 Timothy 3. Paul gives Timothy screening criteria for elder (v.1-7) and deacon (v.8-13) candidates. However, right in the middle of the description of deacons is v.11 that reads, “the gynaikas [wives or women] likewise must be worthy of respect, not speaking evil of others, self-controlled and faithful in all things.” Then, after this statement, Paul goes back to describing deacons.

The first question almost all exegetes ask is who—who are these women? Since the word gynaikas can mean either wives or women, that is a natural question. On one side are those who say that, if this word meant deacons’ wives, the possessive pronoun ‘their’ (auton) would have been used, but it wasn’t. On the other side are those who say that Paul could have made it clear these were women deacons by inserting tas diakonous (so it would have read “the women who are deacons”), but he doesn’t. This debate goes back at least to the Greek fathers—a very important point. If the church as a whole has not been able to settle this conclusively, we should exercise tolerance toward those who disagree with our opinion instead of calling our opponents “crypto-chauvinists” or “proto-feminists” as much of the blog chatter does.

A more revealing line of thinking starts not with the question “who” but “why”—why are these women being screened for their character? One answer is that these are deacons’ wives, and therefore the deacons are being qualified for their jobs by looking at the character of their wives. But why, then, were they singled out for evaluation and the elders’ wives were not? Surely, if anything, the standards for elders and elders’ wives would be higher! If the purpose of the women’s descriptors was to qualify their husbands, why was there no such list for the elders’ wives? Some have suggested that the elder candidates were better known and did not need such scrutiny, but if that was the case, why was the elders’ list of qualifications longer than the deacons’?

By far the most likely conclusion is that the deacons’ wives were being screened with selection criteria because they were going to be appointed to do diaconal work in the congregation alongside their husbands, while the elders’ wives were not sharing in the husbands’ work of discipline and oversight. The key adverb “likewise” (hosautos) further supports this. It precedes the description of elders (v.1,) deacons (v.8,) and women (v.11). This indicates that the evaluation list functioned similarly in each case as a selection criteria for doing work in the congregation.

Deaconing Women

For me, the penny dropped one day when Dick Gaffin was lecturing in my Doctrine of the Church class at Westminster in the mid-80s. He was an author of the 1988 Orthodox Presbyterian Church’s (OPC) Committee on Women in Office. He (and the majority of the Committee) concluded that the “women” of v.11 were deacons’ wives. However, he said, even if they were “wives,” they were clearly being screened and appointed to do diaconal work in the congregation with their husbands. In fact, in the 1988 OPC majority report, the men who denied the office of deacon to women nonetheless made this very strong statement:

Having denied the ordained status of the "women" (K.J.V. "wives") of this verse, it is all too easy to say no more. That is a shame, because whether these women were wives of elders or deacons or both, it is clear that Paul had "deaconing women" in view. They were recognized as special assistants to the ordained officers of the church. Phoebe is a classic example. Because of this association their spirituality had to be commensurate with the diaconate which they assisted. Furthermore, there are aspects of diaconal ministry which can only properly be executed by women. These focus on (though they are not limited to) personal, private needs unique to women and needs in the area of hospitality. Modern-day diaconates need to employ the gifts of women and even consider publicly recognizing some as officially associated with the diaconate in unordained status. (Majority report of the Committee on Women in Church Office, submitted to the OPC’s 55th General Assembly.)

So here’s the nub of the matter. Whether the word gynaikas is translated “women” or “wives” doesn't matter. Either way, the text is teaching that women can and should do diaconal work alongside the deacons and in a way recognized by the congregation (after all, they are screened and selected). These may have been female individuals selected to do diaconal work with the deacons or wives appointed to do it together with them. But either way they were doing it. They were doing it either as ordained deacons or as assistants and partners, they were still doing it.

The biblical evidence is strong that a) women were examined for and appointed to do diaconal work in the local church, and b) that this work with the poor, sick, widows, and orphans was publicly recognized and was held in honor among all. Indeed, even the thinkers and commentators who deny the ordained diaconate to women agree on the need for appointed “deaconing women.” So the practice of commissioning “deaconesses” is one good, biblical, and ancient way to follow this biblical pattern. Is the language of BCO 9-7 sufficient to accommodate what the Bible describes? Does it allow PCA sessions to examine and appoint deaconing women who are recognized and honored for their work? For at least 25 years, many presbyteries and sessions in the PCA have judged that it does.

What About Authority?

But is the biblical evidence above enough to make a case for women to be ordained to the diaconate in the PCA? I would say no. I affirm and support the PCA’s belief in male headship in the home and church. I would never want to see our denomination compromise its support of this biblical complementarianism. Along with Ligon Duncan, I have never seen a credible biblical case made for the ordination of women to be elders or pastors. And when I see some of my friends try to make such a biblical case, I find their use of Scripture alarming and disturbing.

Nevertheless, a denomination as conservative as the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America (RPCNA) has ordained women to the diaconate (though not as elders) since 1888, because it understands the office of deacon to be one of service, not of rule. Our constitution is, I think, ambiguous about this distinction. BCO 9 never refers to the diaconate as exercising ruling authority—indeed it is clear that it always acts under the rule of the session, and cannot act without prior permission of the session or in some cases the whole congregation (9-2). However, in 24-5 the BCO requires that members take a vow of obedience to the deacons. This seems to indicate that BCO conceives ordination as always entailing some kind of ruling authority. That would preclude women.

However, I believe—like the RPCNA—that biblically, deacons are appointed to service, not to juridical authority. So I would be happy to see the PCA reconfigure its description of the office to be more in line with that understanding of it. If, as we’ve seen, Paul was admitting deacons’ wives to diaconal work but not elders’ wives to elders’ work, then, in light of 1 Timothy 2:11,12, doesn’t that mean that the apostle saw the office of deacon as a calling to service, not rule?

A Final Historical Note

I said above that in determining our church practice we should respond to the Bible rather than to our contemporary culture. This is harder than it seems. Many people have said to me over the years they thought that our practice of deaconesses did not flow from our reading of Scripture, but was a capitulation to the egalitarian culture around us. I have tried to show that our reasons are solidly biblical, but I continually try to examine my own heart regarding this. I would only ask our critics to recognize an opposite but equal error.

Many opponents of deaconesses today are operating out of a “decline narrative.” They claim that having deaconesses is the first step on the way to liberalism. But Jim Boice and John Piper, the RPCNA and the ARP, B.B. Warfield and John Calvin, believed in deaconing women or deaconesses. Are (or were) all these men or churches on the way to liberalism? I don’t think so. Nevertheless, one person put it to me like this recently: “Sure, the RPCNA has had women deacons for over a century. Sure, a biblical case can be made. But in our cultural climate, allowing deaconesses would be disastrous. It’s a slippery slope.”

In other words, the Bible probably allows it, but let’s not do it because of the culture. Isn’t that also responding to the culture rather than to the text? If the PCA is driven either by reaction to or adaptation to the culture, it is being controlled by the culture instead of the Word. Let’s allow presbyteries and sessions to use women in diaconal work with the freedom they have historically had in our communion.

I agree completely with Ligon Duncan when he says that the current debate in the PCA is “to determine what its complementarianism is going to look like in the future.” That’s right. His article and mine represent an intramural debate within a strong commitment to biblical complementarianism. While we argue and discuss this let’s keep that in mind.

Tim Keller is the senior pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City and the author of The Reason for God.

See Ligon Duncan's article "The Case for Our Current Policy on Female Deacons" here.

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Joe Whitehurst


Covenant Presbyterian Church Lakeland, Florida



I am very encouraged by this article. I have long felt that certain women in the church should come along side the Deaconate to serve the needs of the congregation. Those that are so gifted just serve whether or not they are asked. As a Deacon, a husband, a father it is difficult to find time in the day for service to the Church other that administrative work. Many women in our congregation stay home as does my wife and has more time to serve engaging the children in service as part of their raising. I am going to open this discussion to my very conservative bretheren and see where it goes.

2008-08-26 07:06 Permalink Reply

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Jamison Galt


Brooklyn, NY



Thanks you, Pastor Keller. I very much appreciate you taking the time to articulate all of this so well. Blessings!

2008-08-26 08:23 Permalink Reply

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David Heinaman


Reformed Pres - Ephrata PA



The comment about "decline narrative" is right on and has caused (and probably will cause) no small amount of trouble in the believing church. It is not what or who we are against, but Who we are for.

2008-08-26 09:21 Permalink Reply

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Barbara Sadler


Knoxville, Tn



We, as women through WIC, do this work already in the church. Why is it necessary to set apart another "group of women" to perform these duties? I think setting apart specific women with titles could cause other women to become non-involved and also has the potential for causing division/competitiveness. I pray this is received in the right spirit.

2008-08-26 09:47 Permalink Reply

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bobw


Chattanooga



while you raise a good point, not every church has WIC, and I see no reason that there couldnt be crossover for those that do. as I understand it, such commissioning is recognizing, affirming, confirming and encouraging the God-given call to serve that the person already has.

2008-08-26 15:46 Permalink Reply

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Jenifer


Wall Twp, Nj



I personally enjoy and am blessed by the opportunities I have to serve in the church. I do not need or desire a title to serve the Lord. I feel that the world culture has tremendous influence and I respect our elders for trying to hold to a biblical standard

2009-06-17 21:29 Permalink Reply

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C. E. Hill


Oviedo, FL



Congratulations and thanks to both authors for their well-argued, very helpful, and irenic articles. If I might add just a couple of notes: first (Ligon), we probably cannot read very much either way into the fact that Paul in Romans 16.1 does not use the word for deaconess (diakonissa). This is because we have no attested use of that word until the fourth century; there simply wasn't a feminine form of the word when Paul wrote. Second (Tim), there is an excellent article by Albert Harrill, an expert on slavery in the ancient world, which shows that Pliny's mention of "ministrae" refers to female household servants, not to women who held office in the church (ZntW 97 (2006), 111-130). Finally, the Didache (15.1; late first- or early second-century) instructs its readers to ordain qualified males (andras) as overseers and deacons.

2008-08-26 09:59 Permalink Reply

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Vernon Wooden


Lansing, Michigan



Pastor Keller, your treatment of the connection between the women of I Timothy iii.11 and the widows of Chapter v is one that I have long wished someone involved in the current debate would discuss. Some may argure against a "two-office" diaconate, but I don't see the same resistance within the PCA to a "two-office" elcership. Thank you for your thoughtful and amicable treatment of this topic.

2008-08-26 10:04 Permalink Reply

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Phil Henry


Tucson, AZ



Good article.

Here, Tim appropriately resists the culture at when it comes to the exercise of authority.

He also resists the impulse to resort to a kind of fundamentalism that tends to draw tidy lines where Scripture doesn't.

In terms of feedback, Lesslie Newbigin carefully argues that Christians have uncritically accepted the concept of a "secular society" and that this is tantamount to a "comfortable concordat between Yahweh and the Baalim" (Gospel in a Pluralistic Society, 220).

So, when Tim writes of the PCA's "belief in male headship in the home and in the church," I think he indirectly raises the question of male headship in society.

Our mission is to connect with searching people in the midst of their doubts. So, our witness to these kind of biblical truths must be creative and careful, both gifts Tim has in his writing.

Perhaps a follow-up article would be useful.

Thanks again!

2008-08-26 14:01 Permalink Reply

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DL


St. Louis



Phil,

Props on Newbigin quote. But when you say, "So, when Tim writes of the PCA's "belief in male headship in the home and in the church," I think he indirectly raises the question of male headship in society."

Don't you think that is exegeting just a little?

Good to know you are still out there.

2008-09-12 23:20 Permalink Reply

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Joel Kavanaugh


Alabama



A must read for all who wish to study both sides is a booklet by Brian Schwertley. "A Historical and Biblical Examination of Women Deacons." This is a free download at http://reformedonline.com/view/reformedonline/deacon.htm

He examines the early church fatherse and church practices, Calvin, Warfield, the OPC reports, the RPCES, and several pertinent passages including 1 Timothy 3 and 5. The best part is, he doesn't have a dog in the PCA squabble as he isn't in the PCA.

My Session found it helpful; perhaps others will also.

2008-08-26 14:50 Permalink Reply

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Kerry Buswell


Addison, Texas



Thank you Pastor Keller for making a cogent and persuasive distinction between comissioning and ordaining. My visceral response to this debate has greatly quieted and has given me much to think about from a better informed vantage point.

2008-08-26 16:39 Permalink Reply

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Rick Wheeler


Chester, SC



A question for clarification: does Redeemer ordain male deacons, and commission women to work alongside them? This was the implication I'd gotten from Pastor Keller's article, but Redeemer's website seems to place them in equal roles.

2008-08-27 17:18 Permalink Reply

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Dwight Adams


Austin, TX



Redeemer used to ordain the male deacons, and commission the deaconesses. A few years ago that was changed, and now they do not ordain anyone to the diaconal office.

2008-08-27 18:46 Permalink Reply

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Scott Robinson


Lakeland, FL



Just an observation: If Redeemer places both men & women in equal, non-ordained roles in diaconal service, it seems to me that we have a Scriptural precedence which disallows that: Acts 6:1-6. Men, and not women, were chosen for diaconal service, and were, as it seems, clearly ordained for the task. Can someone clarify what response Keller and/or Redeemer has to this passage? In what light do they understand it with relation to their equal men/women diaconal commissioning?

2008-08-28 11:28 Permalink Reply

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Dave Sarafolean


Midland, Michigan



Though this is a helpful article it really doesn't answer all the questions that are being raised. I have no problem with women being commissioned to assist duly elected, ordained, and installed deacons. But the problem that has arisen is this: churches choosing NOT to ordain men as deacons then turning around and commissioning a mixed group of men and women to do the very same work.

This year's General Assembly responded to two presbyteries on this matter through the Committee to Review Presbytery Records. The crux of the issue is captured in this statment sent to one of those two presbyteries:

"this practice...denies qualified men their constitutional and biblical right to be considered for office."

This is the problem that Dr. Keller side-stepped in this article.

2008-08-28 12:58 Permalink Reply

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Robert Greene


Baltimore, MD



The Problem as i see it with the position of Dr. Keller and Redeemer, is that for good motives, someone is deceived.

Either the seeker or church member who is not aware of the PCA's position and assume Redeemer is endorsing and promoting women to ordained office.

Perhaps even the deaconesses themselves who may think they are being put into office and don't under stand the subtleties of ordination vs. commissioning.

And perhaps the denomination who tolerates comissioning to the office or deaconess or otherwise not ordaining men and women to a position called deacon, diaconate, deacon-team, deaconess or other variations repects the clear meaning and unquestioned historic intent of the BCO.

I rthink it would be best for the unity of our denomination for all churches like Redeemer to abandon their present practices and adhere to a clear understanding of Deacon as a ordained office exclusively for men.

2008-08-28 14:15 Permalink Reply

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Dwight Adams


Austin, TX



One of the advantages these churches find I suppose is they are trying not to offend, to get a clear hearing for the gospel message. So when you don't ordain any of the diaconate you are able to send a signal of equality.

I wonder if the diaconate itself is headed by a woman at these churches who do not ordain the diaconate, as it is at Redeemer in NYC. This complicates it even more for me.

2008-08-29 00:38 Permalink Reply

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Calvin Bacardi


Indianapolis, IN



What keeps the PCA from applying the same hermeneutic we employ for baptism, creation, and charismatic gifts to ecclessiology and gender? How do we justify taking Paul so seriously on some points but not on others (holy kiss, lifting hands, braided hair and expensive jewelry/clothes)? How are we delineating what is cultural and what is normative? Why do we assume 1 Timothy is a church planting manual full of first principles and universal instructions rather than an ad hoc letter addressing specific issues in the Ephesian church?

2008-08-29 02:50 Permalink Reply

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Steve Hall


Richmond, VA



Calin: you may want to look at 1 Tim 3:15, where, after giving various instructions including some about women, Paul says he has written these things so "that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God." He clearly saw his instructions as broad ones for the church. Take care, and glad to talk.

2008-09-07 17:39 Permalink Reply

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Rev. Joel H. Linton


Evangel Presbytery, Missionary to Taiwan



Additionally in 1 Timothy 2:11-14, Paul appeals to a Creation principle which then is continued after the Fall in the home and in God's household, the church. That would indicate the authority structure is normative and not a cultural application of some other principle.

2008-09-19 22:06 Permalink Reply

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Martine Extermann


Tampa, FL



Joel, the problem with the "Creation order" type of interpretations from 1 Tim 2 (if you want to base your theology on a passage that has 3 atypical statements about authority, sin, and salvation) is that you can't have it both ways. If hierarchy is from Creation and then it should pertain ALL relationships between men and women, i.e. I shouldn't be able to even order something from a male vendor. Or if hierarchy pertains to only certain situations such as church and family, then you have broken the logic of your interpretative chain and you can't use the "Creation Order" argument.

2009-06-26 22:41 Permalink Reply

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Rev. Joel H.


Linton


Providence Presbytery, Missionary to Taiwan


No, Martinne, your conclusions are not logical. It does not follow that the creation order for a home (family unit) and the household of God necessarily extends to any and every man-woman relationship.

Additionally in the passage there is no other plausible way to interpret it other than a creation order.

2009-12-19 14:50 Permalink Reply

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K H Acton


Heidelberg, Mississippi



It is clear that the office created in Acts 6, was not so much servant office as an administration of service office. Administration implies authority. Part of the problem in our church, I think, is that the session has taken all administration unto itself. This then creates confusion over the role of the deacons. Give them their proper sphere of authority and this question could be handled with greater clarity.

2008-08-29 13:22 Permalink Reply

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Dwight Adams


Austin, TX



Calvin, we may be talking to each other because this thread is getting old I suppose. You raise interesting points. I think we respond with creation order arguments from 1 Timothy 2. However, I just found out that John Calvin himself would not use the "creation order" argument I adhere to as I was studying his "Pastoral Epistles". He basically says something about the woman is an "inferior aid" as the reason for her subjection. If that's the case, where did the creation order argument originate?

This may be off topic since we are talking about deacons/deaconesses. It does confuse me when a leader advocates for something called "deaconing women" to come alongside the deacons... and yet doesn't ordain the men. That should have been in the article it seems to me but I'm sure Dr. Keller has his reasons. I love the work in NYC.

2008-08-29 14:51 Permalink Reply

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Anonymous


Nashville, TN



It seems at the end of this thread, we have stopped interacting with the article at hand, and have resorted to making comments about churches and individuals related to the article.

Perhaps we have gotten off topic because it is easier to make comments about practices we don't like in the churches of others, instead of dealing with the logic and argument from the article. It would be wise if we refocused our attention on the article, which we have before us, instead of making comments about practices we are not fully informed about- less we err on slander.

2008-09-01 12:00 Permalink Reply

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Bo Logan


Buffalo, NY



A significant distinction will need to be made if we are to change the BCO to create a formal role for women in diaconal ministry.

The problem is: Redeemer Pres has deaconesses in leadership over men. They have a Director and Associate Director of the diaconate--both women. And the chair of the diaconate has been, I'm not sure about the present, a woman as well.

Three leadership roles, all held by women. This is a step further than the "separate body of unordained women" Keller mentions in his second paragraph. A separate body of women, assisting the deacons under the leadership of the male deacons, seems like a biblical answer to the question.

But, Redeemer's solution of commissioning men and women to the office, and then placing the women in leadership over the men, is surely a step too far from scripture or church history.

2008-09-05 08:34 Permalink Reply

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Dave Sarafolean


Midland, Michigan



Bo,

You are correct -- that body should not be called a diaconate. The Book of Church Order clearly defines 'diaconate' as comprised of men who've been duly elected, ordained and installed. This was included in the report issued to the General Assembly by the committee to Review Presbytery Records (of which I have been a member). GA cited two presbyteries on this very matter and it will be interesting to see how they respond to next year's Assembly.

2008-09-06 20:19 Permalink Reply

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Louis T Klauder Jr


Quarryville, PA



To the extent that the discussion above has addressed interpersonal dynamics, it has focused on dynamics within the church and within the deaconate.

One might also consider dynamics within the marriages of married deaconesses. In some marriages a wife's ordination by the laying on her of other men's hands could perturb the relationship between husband and wife. The Bible's ommission of any example of or instruction for ordaining deaconesses could be understood as a concomitant of God's overriding desire to support marriages.

2008-09-08 20:51 Permalink Reply

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Joann Longton


Norwich CT



As an active woman in the PCA, I agree with Barbara Sadler of Knoxville, below:
"...We, as women through WIC, do this work already in the church. Why is it necessary to set apart another "group of women" to perform these duties? I think setting apart specific women with titles could cause other women to become non-involved and also has the potential for causing division/competitiveness..."

EXACTLY!!!
There is NO precedent in any of the Scriptures for 'entitling' woman in ANY way. To begin to do so, sets up some women as more important than others, and smacks of elitism---fueled by nothing but PRIDE, pure and simple. Any Christian woman worth her salt feels priviledged to serve the Body of Christ in any capacity--she does so freely out of love---and doesn't need a special title of ANY kind,to do so...
Brothers, please hold the line on this practice...

2008-09-15 18:30 Permalink Reply

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Patty


Bolingbrook, IL



Amen! This is exactly what I have been thinking as I have read both sides of the argument. Someone serving with the right motives does not need or desire a title. Titles infer authority or else why would there be a need for the title?

2009-03-19 09:10 Permalink Reply

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Devona


Atlanta, GA



Yes that is right! Women can help others without a title or office. I think part of the point of making it official is that the woman's gifts are recognized by others, the woman commits (1 or 2 years) to helping in this capacity, there is organization/efficiency in the ministry, they are trained in how to minister in certain situations and how to access resources inside and outside the church - maybe also trained on legal issues to protect the church as well.

2009-06-20 00:47 Permalink Reply

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Scott


Cary, NC



I have the greatest amount of respect for Reverend Keller.

There are several problems with the well-reasoned article, and that is what is causing such concern.

The BCA Book of Church Order does not provide for "commissioning." There is no provision for a "stepped down form of ordination." The doctrine of Scripture reflected by the BCO is the doctrine of ordination.

The BCO provides for the Elders to appoint (not elect, not "commission" men and women to help them care for the needy. This is not a replacement for the elected, ordained office of Deacon.

While the office of Deacon is not one of ruling authority like an Elder, it is one of authority. Probably, it is best described as administrative authority but it has authority and the congregation takes a vow to submit to their authority.

2008-09-19 19:43 Permalink Reply

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JHL


Alabama & Taiwan



Question: Isn't the process of "election" in a church with votes from the members part of the vesting of authority? If it is, then perhaps we should not have female "deacon assistant" elections, but rather just have them be appointed by the elders. I think the widows of 1 Timothy 5 who assisted the deacons were "put on a list" to be able to receive support and not elected.

There is a further discussion of this authoritative administration of service office in http://www.taiwanchurch.org/~linton/expa.html

Also noted: John Calvin, while holding to a type of deaconess, still interpreted 1 Timothy 3:11 to be referring to wives of both elders and deacons (Institutes, Bk. IV, Ch. 12, Sec. 24, p. 1250). People who appeal to Calvin's interpretation of Romans 16:1 should in fairness to their readers mention that Calvin did not interpret 1 Timothy 3:11 to be referring to deaconesses.

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Dom G. Beam


Missouri



Joel,

Thank you for the link to your exegetical paper. It is well done. I tend to agree withyour conclusion regarding 1 Tim 5 enrollment of older widows.

That said, I think there are a few things that are unsettled. First, regarding Acts 6, it is not clear that the men screened and selected for "service" were "Servers." It has been suggested that they were more akin to Elders. After all, Philip does the work of an "evangelist" two chapters later in Acts 8.

As for "appoint" being the same as "ordain", it should be noted that other words have been translated "ordain" in the past which we now render "set apart" as in Acts 13:2. And there too, the activity was accompanied by the laying on of hands. But, in Acts 13, the men already held office. I hesitate to see Act 6 as definitive.

2008-10-21 00:17 Permalink Reply

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Neal


Virginia



This type of issue, unnecessary as it is the same type of issue that perverted the Presbyterian Church and led to the split in 1973. The answer is easy and it's in the scripture. The following should put it to rest:

"Let deacons each be the husband of one wife...." 1 Tim 3:12a

Can women be the "husband of one wife"?

There you go.

Blessings to all and let's remember the peace and purity of the church.

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Martine Extermann


Tampa, FL



The expression "husband of one wife" was used in a broader sense of "married once" in antiquity, and applied to both men ad women.

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Bob


Quarryville, PA.



I too have great respect for Pastor Keller and after reading all these comments and knowing what I was going to write, Neal beat me to it. We are all called to be merciful and to love our neighbor as ourself. And as Joann Longton put it "Any Christian woman worth her salt feels priviledged to serve the Body of Christ in any capacity--she does so freely out of love---and doesn't need a special title of ANY kind,to do so...
Sometimes it seems we are more concerned about procedures and titles and we forget the Gospel. If it's a matter of validation a simple thank you for serving the Lord should suffice. Peace and Grace from our Lord Jesus Christ

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Tim Bayly


Bloomington, IN



No one can weigh Tim Keller's words above and their significance for the PCA without considering his words in light of other things he's written about his church and its practice of women leading men. Given the word limit placed on comments here, I'll put the larger context as Tim Keller explains it up on my blog, here:

http://www.baylyblog.com/2008/10/the-broader-con.html

2008-10-21 16:41 Permalink Reply

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Greg


Knoxville, TN



I don't know if this discussion is still active, but I'll give it a try.

With all of our supposed allegiance to scripture, the PCA still seems able to bend and twist it for our personal uses.

Why doesn't anyone admit to the "elephant in the room" : at best, the scriptures only allude to something that might be interpreted as "ordination" There is no clear Biblical doctrine of ordination. It is a man made effort to appease our desire for orderliness. We try to force the scripture to fit a doctrine that isn't there!

2009-02-03 12:14 Permalink Reply

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Tim Bayly


Bloomington, IN



Readers should note that the beginning of this article has been corrected. What had originally been written concerning the historical record of the actions of the RPCES related to woman deacons was wrong, but is now right. I post this comment to call attention to the correction so those who've read it in its prior form will read it again, comparing the present words with what Tim wrote before.

2009-04-07 10:33 Permalink Reply

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Dwight Adams


Austin, TX



Neal,
By your logic, the following would also be the case wouldn't it?
The only men who may aspire to positions of church leadership,
must be married, and have children who are submissive and respectful, and who are believers (Titus 1:6). According to this text, ability to manage family provides indispensable proof of ability to manage the local church.

Such requirements disqualify from service not only women, but also all men who are single; all men married but childless; all men married but who have only one child; all men married but who have children too young to profess faith; all men married but who have one unbelieving child or children; all men married and whose children are believers but not submissive; all men married and whose children are believers and submissive but not respectful.

These requirements are all the more amazing in light of Paul's favoring singleness for ministry. Just thinking out loud.

2009-06-17 17:20 Permalink Reply

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Martine Extermann


Tampa, FL



Very good point, Dwight. If Paul had a restrictive intent in mind when he was writing these examples of qualifications, he would have excluded himself from church leadership!

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Larry


Boothwyn



I think it misrepresents the case to argue that since the diaconate is a serving position it is inherently not an authoritative position. Yes, the deacon is a serving office, and yes it is an authoritative office. Even our Lord came to serve, but He certainly had authority...
Matthew 20:28 - even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

2009-06-17 19:12 Permalink Reply

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As a deaconess, I am privileged to serve God and my church family in such a practical way. Are they some of these letter writers who can spend an equal amount of time serving in the trenches??

2009-06-17 19:57 Permalink Reply

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Rev. Kent Moorlach


Irvine, Ca. www.communionpres.org



As an outsider to the PCA, I am very impressed by the discussion held by these two prominent pastors. "The greatest among you shall be your servant."

2009-06-18 02:34 Permalink Reply

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Richard Rieves


Memphis, TN



Why do we so fear the decline toward liberalism, but seem to have no fear of the decline toward Pharisaism. Jesus distinguished two equally detrimental pits on each side of the straight and narrow. We seem to invest all our energy toward the one at the complete expense, if not health, of the other.

Jesus called down curses, "woes," on the Pharisees precisely for their Pharisaism. This was not a an insignificant matter to Him, but a central issue.

Keller's article is persuasive to me not only because he handles the text with great integrity and scholarship, but because neither "side" wins. Men and women must patiently bear with one another as we work alongside each other. Women are not ordained, but are commissioned, and highly utilized. To the extent they are, God is glorified, and both men and women humbled. And this, not a pragmatic argument, just brilliant fruit.

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Ginni


Alabama



Pride and elitism can exist in the hearts of both office holders, and non office holders. Believe it or not, Joann, it is possible to be proud of how submissive and tradationalist you are. In some PCA circles, those who favor allowing the office of deaconess are reluctant to speak up, lest they be judged spiritually immature, or worse. Both men and women must see the calling to an office in the church as a duty - to be carried out in humility. Those who disagree with you, Joann, are now given a voice. Their validation does not diminish your worth in the church.

2009-06-18 10:15 Permalink Reply

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Melanie




Ginni - Good point.

2009-07-08 11:05 Permalink Reply

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Larry


Boothwyn



If women are to be commissioned rather than ordained....would only women be commissioned, or would men also be commissioned? And if men would be commissioned would it be because they don't fit the requirements for ordination? If not, why would this commissioning be only for women...scriptural warrant?
How do we deal with children who serve the Christ and His Church...do we commission them as well?

2009-06-18 10:35 Permalink Reply

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Eric Gambardella


Newport News, VA



Strictly speaking of these two articles as a 'debate' as to the logical implications of certain texts of Scripture that are by no means in and of themselves clear on the subject, I have to say that Tim Keller's argument is leaps and bounds stronger and more persuasive than Ligon's. I now have (from both articles) plenty to chew on and think and pray over concerning this matter. Working for a para-church organization like InterVarsity, I am constantly thinking through what good exegesis and logic would have me believe about the role of women in ministry. Thanks to both of these men for holding firm to Sola Scriptura. I look forward to the day when our debates about the 'unclear' parts of Scripture will be settled as we ponder with unveiled faces the very face of God!

2009-06-22 13:09 Permalink Reply

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John


Philadelphia



If we have some confusion over the meaning of “ordaining”, then what do we mean by “commissioning”? We commission women whom our Session appoints to assist the deacons for an extended period. But we also “commission” short-term mission teams and even graduating high school seniors.

The key thing is that the Session has appointed these women to assist the deacons on an indefinite basis as seems to be permitted by BCO 9-7. They are not elected and the Session can recall the appointment at anytime. We pray for them and have appointed them because we think they can help. From my personal dealings, I doubt that any of these women craves a title to do what is already in heart, but on the other hand, recognition of the role the Session has called them to does not seem out of bounds.

Why would the title of “deaconess” be offensive in this circumstance, especially since it appears that it is post-apostolic origin and, therefore, could not mean the same as the word “deacon”?

2009-06-22 18:43 Permalink Reply

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