“We need to listen and learn from them about abuse and what is needed for healing,” Diane Langberg said. “It is incarnational work.”

Trauma is extraordinary, she says, “not because it rarely happens, but because it swallows up and destroys normal human ways of living.” We have a choice. “We can flit from one cause to another or, like Jesus, we can leave our place of comfort and enter into the suffering.”

Now when members talk about things they miss about Evergreen’s old building, rather than bringing them back to the present, White asks them to share more about what they miss.