Those Who Want to Re-visit Women's Roles Have Been Heard

In an article recently published in byFaith magazine, Dr. Bryan Chapell, the president of the PCA’s denominational seminary, explained why he supported the effort at the 2009 General Assembly (GA) to produce a pastoral letter addressing the subject of women’s roles in the church. Chapell wrote:

“I supported the letter because it is obvious to me that a large part of our church is feeling that it is being denied a voice on this important concern. I hoped the pastoral letter approach would allow us to hear each viewpoint with a clear understanding that the letter’s conclusions would be non-binding. Whether we are talking about a local church or the entire denomination, a refusal to listen to half of the body because we have the votes to end the discussion is not healthy long-term.”

While Dr. Chapell’s article was wonderfully temperate, it seemed clear that he was disappointed with the outcome. As a PCA minister who was relieved by the vote, I thought that some attempt should be made to answer the concerns Dr. Chapell raised, and to set forth some of the concerns of PCA members on the other side of the study committee debate. In doing so, I hope we might continue to advance the current dialogue.

Dr. Chapell states regarding women’s roles in the local church that “a large part of our church is feeling that it is being denied a voice on this important concern.” While they may indeed feel that way, it is hard to see how. Over the past few years there have been several conferences in which members of the PCA have openly advocated for an expanded role for women in ministry, including the Synergy conferences which address women as “gifted for leadership” as well as books and blogs which openly promote and address “women in ministry.” It’s also difficult to argue that advocates for the study committee are being denied a voice when for the last two General Assemblies the most important debates have been over that issue. In fact, it was only last year at the 2008 GA that Dr. Chapell himself addressed the assembly at length arguing in favor of a study committee to examine whether women could serve as deacons. Members of the PCA who are in favor of re-visiting the role of women in the church certainly have a voice, and they are being heard. It seems that their disappointment stems not from not being heard, but not being agreed with. As a friend commented, it is as though we are being told, “I can tell you aren’t listening, because if you were, you’d agree with us.”

Personally, I believe the actual situation is not that we aren’t listening, but that we are, and that the majority are concerned with what we are hearing. Let me explain why:

1) Women are not a constituency, an interest group, a minority, or a monolithic block, and we do them a great disservice when we speak of them as though they are in the courts of the church. Additionally, we err if we assume that all PCA women, or even the majority of PCA women, are in favor of studying or re-examining the role of women in the church.  At least one teaching elder speaking in favor of the pastoral letter at the 2009 GA said that his wife would be happy or even ecstatic if it passed. While that might be true, my wife, and many other PCA women I know would have been devastated if it had passed. We need to be willing to acknowledge that this is, ultimately, a theological issue over which both men and women in the PCA are divided.

2) Efforts like the recent one to revisit women’s roles in the church haven’t worked well in the past, and some concrete steps must be taken to explain how we will avoid the disasters that have befallen other evangelical denominations.

For instance, a brother minister recently shared with me that many years ago when the Christian Reformed Church (CRC) was considering whether to erect its own study committee on the role of women, a CRC minister assured him, “Don’t worry, we’ll never get to the point where we actually ordain women.” I’m sure the minister in question  believed that, but the fact is that now, several years later, the CRC does ordain women to both offices and as a result, we found it necessary to remove them from NAPARC. How will we avoid following the same path to the same end especially given the strong similarities between our denominations? To date, I have not heard any serious acknowledgment from the other side of the debate that this could actually happen, much less a coherent strategy to prevent it. Instead, there seems to be the same kind of “that couldn’t happen to us” belief that the CRC once espoused.

3) We often hear statements along the lines of “none of us wants to see women ordained.” This language needs to be amended because clearly there are men and women in the PCA who do want to see women ordained. We’ve had at least two high-profile church plants, both of which were heavily subsidized by MNA, leave for the Reformed Church in America (RCA) over women’s ministry issues. This is especially alarming because the RCA is theologically to the left of the CRC. Clearly, while there are some complementarians in the PCA movement eager to revisit women’s roles in the church, we need to acknowledge that there are also egalitarians.

4) The real problem of the feminization of the evangelical church also needs to be acknowledged. If any study committee is really needed by the PCA, it is a study committee designed to figure out why men are leaving the church in unprecedented numbers and what we can do about it. In his book Why Men Hate Going to Church (Thomas Nelson, 2005), David Murrow cites the following sobering statistics:

• Just 35 percent of men in the U.S. attend church weekly.
• Women comprise more than 60 percent of the typical adult congregation on any given Sunday.
• At least one-fifth of married women regularly worship without their husbands.
• The majority of men attend services and nothing more.
• Men 18-29 are the least likely demographic group to be in church.

Any sort of objective view of the situation would tell us that American Christianity is in no danger of excluding females. Women already dominate in most denominations, and fewer and fewer denominations place any limitations on female ordination. For instance, our own congregation is boxed in on our street by a PCUSA church with a female pastor and a mostly older female congregation, a Baptist church also with a mostly female membership, and now a Pentecostal church also with a female pastor and a female congregation. Our congregation is one of the only churches in the area with a strong representation of young males, and not coincidentally we are also one of the last hold-outs committed to exclusively male leadership. Of all the problems evangelicalism is grappling with, excessive male involvement is not one of them, and certainly the available evidence indicates that as female leadership in the church waxes, male involvement wanes.
 
The above list of concerns is by no means exhaustive, but I hope it will go some way toward explaining why many of us were not comfortable with either the deaconess study committee or the pastoral letter on women’s roles.

Andrew Webb is pastor of Providence Presbyterian Church in Fayetteville, N.C.

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Sam


DeSocio


Pittsburgh


I appreciate Rev. Webb's thoughts on the issue. I do believe that we are having problems in our churches because they are increasingly becoming more feminine. I'd suggest that the problem isn't in the church in general, but in leaders who see ministry to women as easier, because they are more willing to be open about their spiritual walk. As pastors we need to lead by example and be the men that we want to see in our church.

I was disappointed that the slippery slope argument, came up.

It seems like we have failed to admit that there are still some major differences between northern and southern churches. There are (unordained)women deaconess in the northern PCA, which have come in thru the RPCES. From my understanding there was no expiration date on these grandfathered church's use of the term deaconess for women "set apart with prayer".

2009-10-07 16:49 Permalink Reply

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Warren


Hill


Hilton Head, SC


Great response Pastor Webb. Now, will ByFaith do the right thing and print your response in the next hard copy edition, giving your article the same prominence it gave to Dr. Chapell's?

2009-10-07 20:26 Permalink Reply

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Kenneth


Pierce


Jackson, MS


IT would speak very well of ByFaith if this article were to appear in the hard copy of the magazine.

Andy is right: the prominent voices get a lot of air time. It would be refreshing to hear alternate opinions, respectfully rendered.

Ken Pierce, Trinity PCA,

2009-10-08 10:59 Permalink Reply

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Andrew


Barnes


Tchula, MS


This was a great article, and is worthy of making the hard copy of ByFaith magazine.

I especially resonate with point number 1 that Pastor Webb brought up about the voice of women. Following GA I communicated what happened at GA this past year, and the women of our church (and the men) were deeply disappointed by the number of ministers wanting a study committee to study this issue. And like the women Pastor Webb referred to in his church, the women in mine would also have been similarly devastated if it had passed.

Rev. Andrew Barnes
Tchula PCA

2009-10-08 11:54 Permalink Reply

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Stacie


Dietsch


Macon, GA


I really appreciated this article. Thank you for posting it.

2009-10-08 11:56 Permalink Reply

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Harry


Ludwig


Red Deer AB


Yes, good work!

As far as the so-called 'slippery slope' I have to disagree. The probable reason that this argument is used so often, is that it is usually valid. I was born, baptized, and raised in the CRC, and watched it 'slide' and, subsequently, after looking through Church History (and History in general) saw the similar 'downgrade' happening repeatedly.
This is just an example of the Hegelian dialectic: thesis, anti-thesis, and synthesis.
Whenever the Church refrains from (my use of the term) semper reformada (returning to the scriptural foundations for belief and practice) and instead engages in a "discussion" with alternative views (women in office, Scriptural authority, views of Genesis, etc.), they are following the dialectic: established truth + contrary situational or cultural expediencies/accomodations = comprimised truth. The spiral can only continue into more and more distant (from orthodoxy) heterodoxy. This is especially 'bound' to happen as we...

2009-10-08 14:17 Permalink Reply

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Harry


Ludwig


Red Deer, AB


[limit of 150 words]...all active sinners awaiting our eventual glorification; thus, unless we are continually being pulled back to the source (by synergistic sanctification, includiing partaking of the means of grace) we are prone to declension.

2009-10-08 17:49 Permalink Reply

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Steve


Cavallaro


Central FL


I think you missed the point, as I understood it. Perhaps I am wrong. It is about semper reformata- returning to the Scriptures to make sure we are understanding them properly (utilizing proper historical-grammatical interpretation) and how to apply them properly. It is about recognizing where Scripture is crystal clear and working through areas that seem less clear. If we believe the Book is true, why don't we want to study it together to make sure we haven't erred?

2009-10-31 23:13 Permalink Reply

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Vaughn


Christensen


Chicago, IL


Excellent article by Pastor Webb. I agree with Harry Ludwig re: the "slippery slope" argument. Church movement away from the Bible usually occurs in small increments that are easy to discount and write off at the time.

Here's hoping we'll see this article in print!

Vaughn

2009-10-08 17:19 Permalink Reply

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Al


Henderson


Harlingen, TX


Thank you Pastor Webb, for articulating your concerns so well, which the biblical concerns of many. Thanks also for having taken issue with Dr. Chapell's article in such an irenic fashion. That's made more difficult considering how far we've come from what used to be considered the clear and obvious meaning of the Scriptures involved.

I hope this will be put in the print edition, as well, as a helpful service to the church... and that whatever "dialogue" continues be substantive and scriptural in focus. As well as irenic, which both you and Dr. Chapell have done, in line with Pastors Duncan and Keller.

Thanks again!

Al Henderson
RE, Covenant PCA

2009-10-08 18:34 Permalink Reply

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Brenda


Faria


Colorado Springs, Colorado


I appreciate what Pastor Webb had to say very much. I agree wholeheartedly with him. Much of the argument for a reexamination and expansion of women's roles seems pragmatic.
I was in a Denver PCUSA church in the 70's that took a biblical stand on elder and deacon qualifications and was forced out of their building and denomination. Elizabeth Elliot also spoke to that congregation, encouraging a friend of mine to no longer teach the men, because they might not step up and develop as leaders while she stayed in that role. That friend developed a wonderful, fruitful ministry to other women.
I want men to lead and I never feel less of a woman, or a person, because of it! (Not less opinionated either!)
I guess I am a female member of the "old guard" and am constantly reminded how quickly we forget.

2009-10-08 19:39 Permalink Reply

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Rick


Richert


Dunedin Fl


Good article. Please put in the printed magazine so as to give equal print to other POV.

2009-10-08 20:51 Permalink Reply

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Josiah


Lovett


Bothell WA


I appreciate the willingness of ByFaith to have Andy's response posted online. I have to agree with what Ken Pierce said above. It would speak volumes if they included it in the hard copy printing of the magazine.

2009-10-08 22:12 Permalink Reply

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Brenda


Faria


Colorado Springs, Colorado


Thank you, Pastor Webb, for your thoughtful article. I support your view wholeheartedly.

2009-10-09 00:45 Permalink Reply

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Joseph


Ivory


Fayetteville, NC


Great article. ByFaith would be wise to publish it. It would lend them great creedence as an objective source for issues within the PCA.

I have trouble understanding the objections to the 'slippery slope' argument I've sen here and elsewhere. The phenomenon of taking incremental steps to ordaining women has happened multiple times, not just in the CRC. Learning from history is supposed to be a virtue. Quite frankly, I'd be disappointed not to see it brought up. It is historically and logically valid.

I also object to speaking of the women in our denomination as a monolithic whole in favor of ordination. I remember coming home from Presbytery and telling my wife about the rumblings about deaconesses. She whipped around and said "WHAT!!???" And no, her voice was not quivering with joy.

2009-10-09 12:27 Permalink Reply

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Ruth


Olson


DeLand, Florida


I would like to thank Pastor Webb for his well written article with which I agree.

2009-10-09 15:57 Permalink Reply

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Richard


Doster


Atlanta, GA


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2009-10-09 18:53 Permalink Reply

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Matt


Terrell


Saint Louis, MO


To Mr. Ludwig above...

You may be presuming too much in your equation "established truth + contrary situational or cultural expediencies/accomodations = compromised truth". In it you assume that you have already perfectly achieved "established truth" in regards to this issue, despite the reality that many good and faithful church leaders, both past and present, have come down on various sides of this discussion.

In other words, I think what many faithful Believers in our denomination believe is that we have jumped too quickly to some of our current conclusions about what biblically "established truth" is regarding women in the church. So the point of the discussion is not to soften or "compromise" biblical truth, but instead to understand that truth more deeply and fully, so that we as God's people can more deeply and fully obey him and participate in his mission.

2009-10-10 17:43 Permalink Reply

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Harry


Ludwig


Red Deer, AB


Mr. Terrell:

You're right.
I wrote too quickly; not choosing my words as carefully as I might have.
What I meant by "established truth" was established, or acknowledged biblical truth - as in properly exegeted. Naturally, man being not yet 'perfect' we can only cling to our confessional theology while continually expounding (and then, understanding) the plain meaning of Scripture. Thus, your beginning thesis should never synthesize (compromise) with a (corrupter) antithesis; and, instead, should always be referring back to the Truth (the Word/Jesus), to insure its highest purity. Our thesis might be Acts 4:12, an antithesis might be Buddha saves, the synthesis might be Billy Graham! (ie: see interview with Larry King several years ago.) Likewise: Men in Office + Women in Office = Both in Office (or Women in part Office, at first, then next dialectic).

2009-10-13 22:43 Permalink Reply

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Jack


Delivuk


Beaver Falls, Pa.


My wife is a former elder in the UPUSA (now PCUSA). She turned against women elders because her experience was, when women were elected the men would not do any work.

It is interesting to note that none of the males on either side of the question have advocated a survey asking women what they want. It makes more sense than males telling the church what women want.

My survey thoughts are. 1. The majority of PCA members are women.
2. The majority of persons voting in congregational elections are women.
3. Therefore, if women wanted a change in church officers, they could elect a slate of elders who would agree with them.
4. If woman do not want change in church officers, they will CONTINUE to vote for men who agree with them.

2009-10-12 18:27 Permalink Reply

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Lee


Ferguson


Murfreesboro


In reading Andy's articles two things hit me:
1) In the past I had the honor of teaching logic in a Christian school. Any basic text in informal fallacies will point out that the "slippery slope argument" is a logical fallacy. If you don't believe me just check it out.
2) Though we can point to the CRC as a denomination that has started with women deacons and gone to women elders, we could just a easily point to the RPCNA who have had women deacons for a long, long time and have no move toward ordaining women to be elders.

2009-10-13 11:02 Permalink Reply

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Andrew


Webb


Fayetteville, NC


Hi Lee, just a quick historical correction and a thought: first, subsequent to voting to ordain deaconesses the RPCNA Synod (their GA) DID vote in late 1930s to ordain women as elders. The subsequent vote just failed to get the approval of 3/4ths of their sessions. So the RPCNA is not a good example, they too followed the same trend.

Also, is it really simply "the slippery slope fallacy?" or the fact that world, the flesh, and the devil never have to change their playbook when dealing with the church, as the same moves always bring about the same results? For instance, any denomination that has embraced theological liberalism has first begun to deny the historicity of the bible. Is pointing that out an example of the "slippery slope fallacy" or simply noting that the devil always starts the ball rolling with the question, "Hath God Said?"

2009-10-13 12:28 Permalink Reply

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TE Kevin


Carroll


Macon, MS


Please print this excellent response to Chapell in the hard copy of ByFaith. Chapell's assertions aside, the egalitarians in the denomination get plenty of exposure. It is high time that the side that represents the position of our Standards gets an equal opportunity.

2009-10-13 18:52 Permalink Reply

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Ted


Hess


Katy, TX


Re Matt Terrell's comment that some may have jumped to conclusions too quickly regarding what is biblically established truth concerning the role of women: it would be helpful, in considering this assertion, to know what those who have such concerns consider to be "established truth" in this matter, for example:

Is it or is it not an established truth that women are not to teach or exercise authority over men (1 Timothy 2:12) ? Or that the head of woman is man (1 Corinthians 11:3)?

Knowing where one stands on the question of whether or not these passages constitute "established truth" might be a helpful ground rule in future debate.

2009-10-13 19:27 Permalink Reply

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Harry


Ludwig


Red Deer, AB


I should note, that I am not a member of the PCA - instead I hold membership in the FRCNA (Free Reformed Church in North America).
(Though, I would like to say that I count a good many friends/brethern in the PCA and other P/R federations, and I hope they feel the same.)
Also, I am NOT an office-bearer, nor educated beyond High School. So, take my words with a grain of salt, and look to the Word and historical orthodoxy.

2009-10-13 22:49 Permalink Reply

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Andrew


Webb


Fayetteville, NC


Hi Lee,

My initial reply to you got lost somewhere so here's a quick note in reply. Actually the RPCNA did follow up its decision to ordain women as deaconesses with a vote to ordain women as elders in the 1930s. While the vote was passed in the synod, it just failed to clear the 2/3rds of session approval requirement, so they didn't get women elders by the narrowest of margins.

Once again though, I'd note that I STILL have not heard any serious acknowledgment from the other side of the debate that what happened to almost all the other denoms that have "studied" the issue and approved deaconesses could actually happen to us, and as yet no coherent strategy to prevent it. Brothers, in the interests of advancing the dialogue I'd like to hear what you believe grants the PCA immunity from what happened to the CRC (& PCUS, PCUSA, etc.)

2009-10-13 23:05 Permalink Reply

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Matt


Terrell


Saint Louis


Andrew,

Thank you for your kind response. And I think your question is an important one, though I'm not sure how to answer it directly, but I will do my best...

I think so many people object to the "slippery slope" argument because it shifts the focus of the discussion away from the current issue and onto some potential future conflict. If, for the sake of argument, the Bible indeed allows for an expanded role of women in our church (deaconess, etc.) it would be wrong for us to deny that expansion based on a fear of some result that may potentially happen. So for me, the rejection of the "slippery slope" is not about whether I think we are exempt from following in the footsteps of others who have discussed this issue, it is instead about what I believe to be Biblical.

continued below...

2009-10-14 13:28 Permalink Reply

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Matt


Terrell


Saint Louis


Continued from above...

In other words, I don't think we should fence what God in his Word does not fence, especially if our fencing is done out of a fear of some potential future result. Is that not one of the errors of the Pharisees? Basically, many reject the "slippery slope" because it is not essentially about the issue at hand, it is instead about a potential future result. I hope that is a helpful clarification.

2009-10-14 13:32 Permalink Reply

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Nancy Peery


Olson


Providence PCA Fayetteville, NC


Amen, Pastor Webb! Thank you for your well written article. I would be heart broken if the PCA ordained women as deacons. I watched what happened in the old PCUS as women became deacons and then elders. I would hate to see the PCA follow that same road to destruction.

2009-10-14 15:48 Permalink Reply

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Andrew


Webb


Fayetteville, NC


Hi Matt,

Thanks again for engaging in dialogue. Two further thoughts occur to me. First, you'll note that I began by commenting that the arguments in favor of women's ordination or commissioning to either office have been heard (and will continue to be heard as those pressing for that position are not going to stop writing books, teaching classes, and holding conferences.) Women's ordination is, after all, the majority report in modern American Protestantism and at present the PCA and the OPC are the last major American Reformed denoms that do not ordain women to either office.

Secondly, Reformed theologians recognize the legitimacy of cause and effect more often than you might think. There is a reason for instance that drunkeness is listed under violations of the seventh commandment in the Larger Catechism, or why Calvin so often stated that one error inevitably leads to a host of other ones.

2009-10-14 16:09 Permalink Reply

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Harry


Ludwig


Red Deer, AB


Matt:
Again, you are right if the essence of the "slippery slope" argument is, indeed, that fear of continued decline. That, alone, cannot be a valid reason. Back to the question: I agree with Mr. Hess, do you? And, do you see what I was (awkwardly) trying to get at with the transmogrification (being generous to some) of the "slippery slope" argument to the "dialectic downgrade" of compromise?
Regardless, the confessional (or orthodox) position has always been that women are "biblically" not available for office; thus positing the possibility of office is antithetical, and integrating (though this sin may be no worse than any other sin being committed) them with a quasi- or pseudo-office is synthetic.

2009-10-14 20:27 Permalink Reply

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Jill


Essex


Austin, TX


Thank you for publishing this -- hope it makes the hard copy. I pray the church will remain countercultural. The women of the PCA aren't sitting around eating bonbons waiting for a title before we go about our Kingdom work. BTW why must the guard be labeled old or new?

2009-10-15 11:04 Permalink Reply

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Matt


Terrell


Saint Louis


Mr. Ludwig and Mr. Hess,

Yes, I agree that those passages (1Tim 2:12, 1Cor 11:3) are biblically "established truth". However, in line with what I wrote earlier, I think that we sometimes interpret those passages too much through the grid of our own personal values and contexts, instead of through the grid of the author's original intent and historical and literary context. To be fair, I think people on both sides of this discussion are guilty of this error (myself included).

Also, I need to object to the assertion that historical orthodoxy is monolithic on this issue. John Calvin, for example, who was certainly no slouch in exegesis, held to a view that called for women to hold an office of deacon that is very similar to the commissioned deaconess position that many in our denomination advocate (see Institutes 4:3:9).

2009-10-15 11:21 Permalink Reply

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Andrew


Barnes


Tchula, MS


RE Matt Terrell,

Just to be clear about Calvin, what did he mean when he used the word 'deaconess'? If we see what he writes about them in all his writings one will find that he did not mean 'deaconess' as in a woman deacon (ordained). Rather, he meant a woman who was serving (helping) the deacons. This is much like what the PCA allows in sessions alllowed to appoint men and women (who are not ordained) to 'assist' the deacons in their work.

2009-10-20 02:10 Permalink Reply

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Matt


Terrell


Saint Louis


I don't think Calvin uses the term deaconess, at least not in the section of the Institutes I was referencing.

He says, "there was no public office which women could discharge save that of devoting themselves to the service of the poor. If we admit this, (and it certainly ought to be admitted,) there will be two classes of deacons, the one serving the Church by administering the affairs of the poor; the other, by taking care of the poor themselves." (Institutes 4:3:9)

As you implied, and as I said before, this is very similar to the commissioned (not ordained) deaconess position that many in our denomination advocate.

2009-10-20 21:53 Permalink Reply

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Matt


Lawrence


Valdosta, Georgia


As I'm no longer PCA, I tread lightly into this discussion. An overlooked point Rev. Webb makes is that the feminization of the evangelical church MUST be addressed. The statistics from Murrow's book are sobering. What are the stats from the PCA? If they are similar, that trend must be addressed and if it is, I suspect that this issue will fade. It seems axiomatic that where families are being lead by covenant husbands and fathers intent on shepherding their wives and children, much of this discontent will be salved. BTY, Murrow's book is a good read with a good argument. His remedy may not be so sound. An excellent recent book is Warren Cole Smith's A Lovers Quarrel With The Evangelical Church which every RE, TE & deacon ought to read and see if his church is guilty of a feminizing worldliness.

2009-10-15 11:32 Permalink Reply

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Andrew


Barnes


Tchula, MS


MATT:

Except that commissioning of deacons is no where in Scripture, nor advocated for in the BCO. :)

Andrew Barnes
Tchula PCA

2009-10-26 12:25 Permalink Reply

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Rebecca


Phillips


Fayetteville, NC


Thanks Pastor Webb.... May God's Word be revered and obeyed by His people in our denomination!

2009-10-27 17:03 Permalink Reply

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Elizabeth


Waibel


Clinton, MS


I am less interested in the debate over women deaconesses and more interested in hearing people talk about how to utilize the gifts of each member, especially those of us not on the session. I would like to hear more churches and individuals talking about how to create an environment in which youth and women, even if their primary gifts are not in child care or leading women's Bible studies, are included.

2009-11-17 15:58 Permalink Reply

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Alex


White


Charleston, SC


I am a deacon in the PCA, and I have to agree with Mrs. Waibel. While these posts are good for theoretical, theological discourse, what is the positive role of the PCA church, especially the session, in determining, establishing, and nurturing gifts of the youth and women in the PCA? My mother served as President of South Georgia WIC, and spent a ton of time communicating with members of the PCA about various outreach ministries, issues within the PCA, etc. I think she did this pretty much of her own volition, without a lot of input or encouragement from the session it seems. She did make a presentation at the Georgia general assembly, and got a standing ovation, but I don't know how much feedback she received from the session in general.

2009-12-03 09:01 Permalink Reply

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C. David


Trimmier


Augusta, GA


It has been some time since I logged onto this site. I am curious to know how the debate is proceeding in the PCA regarding the "role of Women in the Church" particularly with regard to ordination.
I came to faith in Christ in 1972. Remember the situation we were in with the Southern Presbyterian Church? Many ministers and churches fought for an "inerrant Scripture" to the point in withdrawing from the PCUS they lost property, retirement, etc.
I encourage all of my Fathers and Brothers to re-read "Presbyterian Journal" articles by G. Aiken Taylor, Don Patterson, Paul Settle, Morton Smith, etc.
Where is sola scriptura, analogy of faith, etc. Where is the view theologically that no point of theology is to be established on a "scant portion of scripture"?
Let us hold to an Infallible Text or we will venture down the same path as in 1972.
What say ye?

2010-02-13 15:55 Permalink Reply

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