Seeing Women Through God’s Eyes

As we approach the PCA’s 37th General Assembly, it is striking that four of the 22 overtures submitted deal with women. At every level, PCA leaders face questions about women’s proper roles. The interest, uncertainty, and demand for specific answers show no sign of waning.

Just five months ago, Dr. Jerram Barrs, resident scholar of the Francis A. Schaeffer Institute and professor of Christian studies and contemporary culture at Covenant Theological Seminary, published Through His Eyes: God’s Perspective on Women in the Bible (Crossway Books, 2009). We spoke with Barrs about God’s view of women and ours—and how the two differ.

Of all the subjects you could write about, why God’s perspective on women?

I suppose the simplest and most direct answer is that God’s Word has much more to say about women than we usually hear in most of our churches, and this has deeply troubled me for many years. I was already thinking about the subject matter of the book when the leaders of a women’s Bible study that I was teaching came to me and asked if I would tackle the subject of “women of the Word.” I gladly agreed and the women in that group were greatly encouraged by the studies and they urged me to write this book.

What are the primary misconceptions we have about God’s perspective on women?

In many churches, reflections about women begin with the passage about male headship and women’s subjection in marriage (Ephesians 5) and the so-called restrictive passages about women’s ministry in the church (1 Corinthians 11 and 14, and 1 Timothy 2); and reflections on women often end with these passages, as if Scripture had nothing else to say about women. But this is not where Scripture begins its discussion of women and it is not where Scripture ends! I think we rarely ask the foundational question: “How does the Lord see women?” I was eager to write a book about women through God’s eyes—not a book about women seen entirely through the eyes of men reacting to feminist emphases by focusing all their deliberation on those four passages. I am not saying that those passages should be ignored or set aside, for they are of course important, but beginning and ending with them has given rise to severe misconceptions.

And what are the ramifications? How are we experiencing consequences of our misunderstanding?

I could give you hundreds of examples that would illustrate the consequences of this profound misunderstanding of God’s perspective on women, but I will give just two examples of women who came to speak to me after they began to read Through His Eyes. One of them is the wife of a pastor of one of the most prominent evangelical churches in this country. She spoke with tears about the pain of raising her daughter in her church. She said that women are basically treated as second-class citizens in the church and are never encouraged to give their opinion about any spiritual matter or to share their understanding of God’s Word or their experience of living as a Christian. It is as if the female half of the congregation were barely human. The second example is a young woman who is a student at a major university. She was asked by several other female students to lead a small group. She said that one of the great difficulties they have experienced is that not one of them had ever been asked to pray aloud—either in their homes or their churches—and that they simply did not know how to pray. I weep as I think about the tragedy of this.

In your research, what surprised you most? And what do you suppose will surprise readers?

I was not really surprised by what I discovered in my research because I had the privilege as a very young Christian of working in the home of Francis and Edith Schaeffer. In that setting there was a glad submission to the teaching of Paul in the passages mentioned above—but there was also a deep commitment to honor the Lord’s declaration that women and men are equals as the image of God, equals as sinners, and equals in spirituality as joint-heirs of the grace of life. The consequence was that Edith gave talks about prayer and about the Christian life (and many other subjects) very frequently to mixed audiences of men and women. Also, all of us, both men and women, were encouraged to develop and to use whatever gifts the Lord had given us as we served Him in the ministry of L’Abri. 

What will surprise my readers? I hope and pray that many whose experience is like the sad examples I shared above will be delighted to discover that God honors women and delights in giving them wisdom, moral strength, and gifts—all of which He intends to be a blessing to God’s people, both male and female.

If readers take your message to heart, what will change? How will their lives be better? And how will the life of the Church be improved?

I pray that many women will be encouraged to delight in their creation, redemption, and calling, and that many men, especially pastors and teachers, will be challenged to honor women as does the Lord Himself. My especial prayer is that women who are becoming disenchanted with the Church and with the Christian faith will be sufficiently encouraged by the book to embrace their faith gladly. I long for men to treat their wives, and women in general, better, and I long for our churches to be places where women feel welcomed, treasured, honored, and encouraged to use their gifts to the glory of God.

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Scott Allen


Chestnut Mountain PCA, GA



After listening to Dr. Barrs Covenant Seminary lectures from his Apologetics & Outreach class, he has opened my eyes to many facets of our culture and how Christians should Biblically interact in love, truth and grace. He is very wise and I look forward to reading this work.

2009-06-11 10:57 Permalink Reply

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Phillip


Gulfport, Mississippi



Ephesians 5:25 (New American Standard Bible)

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, "
The other side of complementarianism.

2009-06-11 11:17 Permalink Reply

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Marshall C. St. John


Signal Mountain, TN



You preface your article: "It is striking that four of the 22 overtures submitted deal with women. At every level, PCA leaders face questions about women’s proper roles. The interest, uncertainty, and demand for specific answers show no sign of waning."

I believe you are way over-emphasizing our interest in this subject....

2009-06-11 11:34 Permalink Reply

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Marie


NY



I don't think he is, Marshall. I hear much talk about women in my corner of the US. And, yes, we'd like to hear more. Thank you, Prof. Barrs.

2009-06-11 19:58 Permalink Reply

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Chris Dattilo


Massachusetts



Thank you for this interview. I’m encouraged by Dr. Barrs reflections. In my experience, (a PCA woman) I often find more concern with “fencing out feminism” then encouraging ”women to be treasured, honored and encouraged to use their gifts to the glory of God" within the church.
The emphasis on the negative (feminism) drives actions, often resulting in peculiar and discouraging outcomes. I’d love to see more emphasis on “encouraging women & their gifts”. As we approach GA my prayer is for fruitful, Biblically informed, measured discussions that encourage women as joint-heirs, adopted daughters of God.

2009-06-11 11:40 Permalink Reply

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Judy


Florida



I, too, feel that women's roles in my church (OPC) are not given much consideration beyond preparing fellowship dinners, working in the nursery, and being submissive in marriage. In the past year there have been classes for men in developing their gifts and leadership skills but no similar classes for women. So, I have been following the PCA overtures on women in the church with great interest. I'll be following your GA on Twitter, too.

2009-06-11 14:13 Permalink Reply

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RE Art Moser, Emeritus


Peoria, IL



Hurrah for Jerram Barrs! Thank you for calling us to a biblical view of women based on more than the limiting passages of Scripture ... it is time to treasure, honor and encourage women to use their gifts to the glory of God.

2009-06-11 17:38 Permalink Reply

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Lawrence Lunceford


Raytown, Missouri



We need to deal with the fact that Christ is building His church and at least 50% is female, statictics indicate it is much higher.
God has given gifts for the body to each member of the body regardless of gender. We (PCA and the church at large) have been subverting God's giving by restricting the use of the gifts He has given to women. Let's refocus our attention from secondary issues and let God be God in our midst without stumbling over gender bias.

2009-06-12 10:33 Permalink Reply

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Brandon Meeks


Mooresville, NC



Two examples were given in this interview of "sad" situations. What's sad in these situations is that the men may not have been loving their women in the proper way. The woman who did not know how to pray ... had she no opportunity to learn to pray at home, without praying out loud in the congregation? Did her husband fail in his responsibility to spiritually lead and teach his household? These examples are sad because of the lack of male headship taking on its responsibilities, not because the women are being silent in the church.

Let's not get scared of tough passages like 1 Corinthians 14:34ff (v. 37: the command of the Lord). Unless you explain it away, we are far away from living by this passage in the church today.

2009-06-13 17:25 Permalink Reply

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Alan Bauer


Baltimore



Let's also not get scared of reading passsages in context. I Cor. 14 follows I Cor. 11 which instructs women to wear head coverings when they pray and prophesy, so universal silence is not what I Cor. 14 is talking about.

2009-06-14 16:13 Permalink Reply

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Ned Bustard


Lancaster PA



There is a very helpful chapter on this topic in "The Beginning: A Second Look at the First Sin" ( http://www.squarehalobooks.com/begin.htm ) that I would highly recommend.

2009-06-15 09:08 Permalink Reply

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Mary Lou Beverly


St. Augustine, FL



Thank you, God that this topic is finally getting the honest look that it deserves. More than half of the body of Christ at the present time are living under the assumption that in the church they must hide the gifts God has given them, while in the world those same gifts are valued and encouraged. God does and will use those gifts for His glory in the world, but the body of Christ is handicapped within by the loss. May God be glorified by all created in His image - both male and female.

2009-06-18 07:16 Permalink Reply

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Joseph Bayly


Bloomington, IN



Talk about women's "gifts", but the Bible actually gives criteria for determining whether women are making proper use of their gifts. "...having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work." (1 Tim 5:10) Also this: "Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored." Not exactly the use of gifts valued/encouraged by the world, are they? But that's what honors God's Word.

2009-06-19 20:40 Permalink Reply

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Anne Borgeling


Indianapolis, IN



Did these girls who didn't know how to pray really come from homes that taught the boys how to pray and not the girls? That seem to be what is implied and the idea astounds me. I suspect it is more likely that the parents did not teach any of their children how to pray. One thing that I appreciate about how obviously anti-Christian our culture has become is that I feel it has convicted us as parents to be more purposeful in the way we teach our children to live as Christians.

2009-06-20 09:39 Permalink Reply

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Andrew Henry


Bloomington, IN



Mary Lou,
The world NEVER values and encourages the gifts that Scripture commends. The world glorifies autonomy, independence, self-reliance and self-confidence. These are not "gifts" and Scripture does not speak well of them.

2009-06-20 22:26 Permalink Reply

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Rather Not


Rather, NT



I am a woman, a Christian, and a highly-educated professional. I can’t imagine my life without an outlet for my intellect and abilities. At age 28, the only supportive—albeit imperfect—outlets for my gifts have been secular. My male peers in academia and the foul-mouthed men I work with do a better job at encouraging my abilities than the church. I remember when a male professor praised my work for the first time. I went home and sobbed – for joy, for relief, for past-pains – a bunch of reasons. There are men in my profession who are willing to work alongside me, and I can’t tell you how devoted I am to them as a colleague. I can’t engage publicly the PCA on these issues because it’s too depressing and they don’t want to hear from me anyway. I just use my (apparently "not Christian") gifts outside the church.

2009-06-21 22:17 Permalink Reply

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Laura


Keyser


outside of Philadelphia, PA


I am sad that you felt you could not use your name to convey your disappointment with the PCA church. It is very sad to realize you feel powerless and hopeless to even engage in conversations with the denomination. I am working on a PhD dissertation regarding gendered roles in the PCA church. Perhaps this will open up some dialogue within the PCA. Thanks for your remarks. They were very moving.

2009-09-01 14:02 Permalink Reply

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Wally


Sherbon


Virginia


I am distressed by some of the women who apparently attend PCA churches that appear to have no use for their gifts and talents - professional and otherwise. Are you after elder responsibilities - general congregational preaching and teaching God's word? I can see where that could be met with difficulty. But, aside from these, what are some areas that you feel completely squashed in - or areas in which you feel completely unappreciated?

2009-09-09 15:06 Permalink Reply

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Laura


Keyser


Pennsylvania


Hi Wally,
Thanks for asking. Here's one example. I am a deaconess who participates in spirited discussions about how to help people with deaconal needs. However, women are not allowed to make any motions to, for example, open or close our meetings. After our discussions women are not allowed to vote. Well okay, I do vote, but it's a joke because it doesn't count. When I became a deaconness there was no voting process or prayer in front of the congregation welcoming me into the deaconness role. I find it all a bit odd.

2009-10-17 14:36 Permalink Reply

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